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Season 1 Episode 22

Marilynne Roach. Author of two popular books that explore in detail the infamous Salem Witch Trials.
Marilynne Roach is a freelance writer, illustrator, researcher, and presenter of talks on historical subjects. She has also written two outstanding books about the infamous Salem witch trials. They are Six Women of Salem: The Untold Story of the Accused and Their Accusers in the Salem Witch Trials, and The Salem Witch Trials: A Day-by-Day Chronicle of a Community Under Siege. In her interview with Stan Mallow, the Paranormal Yakker, Marilynne discusses both books. She explains how and where she researched them and gives us an up-close and personal look at the accused, their accusers, and daily happenings in the courthouse where the trials were held. We learn what life was like in Puritan Salem in the 1600s. The events that led up to people accusing their neighbors, friends, and family members of being witches and being possessed by the devil. We learn the fate of the accused and the aftermath, once the trials ended.

Transcript of video Interview

Stan Mallow
Hi everyone? I'm Stan Mallow. Welcome to Paranormal Yakker. My guest on today's show who I'll be yakking with is Reverend Ellen Bourn. She is an RN as well as a renowned medium and psychic. We'll be discussing meditation, healing mudras, the power of Kundalini, angels and archangels, Reverend Ellen Bourn welcome to Paranormal Yakker.
Marilynne Roach
My pleasure to be with you. Thank you for the invitation, I'm looking forward to this.
Stan Mallow
Right, totally mutual. Now, Ellen, you are a former president of the Lily Dale assembly, the largest spiritualist community in the world. The founding pastor of The Light of Truth Church in Buffalo, New York, and teach a wide range of esoteric topics. Do you recall when you first became interested in spiritualism and what sparked that interest?
Marilynne Roach
Oh my goodness, well, when I was age eight, I was seeing spirits, but that was a long time ago and there wasn't any books or anything to tell me what it was. And I was afraid to tell people 'cause I thought they would think I was cuckoo, because when you're age eight your invisible friends are going away, when you're four, it's okay. So, long story short, I had many dif6ferent psychic experiences and awakenings, but when I was age 17, I took a class in high school on sociology, and turns out that my teacher's mother-in-law was a medium at Lily Dale. And so he brought up Lily Dale in the class 'cause it's a very different place to live from a sociological perspective. And then I knew I had to go there. So I borrowed my mother's car within weeks and drove there, I mean, I was a new driver, I wasn't that old, and I thought, "Oh my God, there's all these people here like me. I'm not so alone in my perceptions." So that made a huge impact on me and I kept going there, I've been there for almost 50 years in the summer. I've owned a house there, I've been the president , taught classes, it's a very important place for me, and for many people who come there and wanna learn about all this.
Stan Mallow
Oh, absolutely. Now, because you're knowledgeable in many areas and teach them, including training people how to develop their own gifts, for the sake of time constraints, I'm honing in on just a few of them as mentioned when I introduced you, so here it goes. What's the importance of meditation and is there a right and wrong way to meditate?
Marilynne Roach
Okay, yes, there is a right and wrong way to meditate, but there's many different styles of meditation and they're all correct, it just depends on where you are at, but it also depends on... A lot of people meditate and listen to a guided meditation tape instead of just being silent within and focusing on yourself. And it's not that it's wrong to do that, but it's more powerful to do it without that, but it's a good beginning, you have to start somewhere. And meditation is linked to the ability of mediumship, 'cause you have to put yourself in a certain state of mind in order to receive thee and get out of your own way, in order to receive the information from angels and spirits, and other entities that are on the other side of life.
Stan Mallow
What is a mudra? How are they used in the healing process, and what type of maladies are they used to heal; physical, spiritual, emotional or all matter of ailments?
Marilynne Roach
All the above. But I wouldn't say, if you have a physical problem you should still go to a physician, I'm not saying do a mudra instead, 'cause I think it's in combination with other things. That's so low as it would be sort of foolish. And they're the kind of mudras I do; hand mudras. They involve the use of the hands, and so for example, if I place my hands up here and do a certain breath while I'm doing this, this can help break an addiction. I mean, it isn't the solo thing, I'm not saying don't go for medical help, but they should be, it's my opinion, they should be using that. And these drug and alcohol, I mean, I've worked in one as a nurse, so I understand it, but it would be a little easier for people I think, to overcome, if they just added that teeny thing, for people who wanna do it, it's not mandatory, but these things do work and there's millions of them, and if you've ever seen statues of Buddha or anybody has looked, his hands are always different, sometime they're like this, sometime like... those all mean different healing things.
Stan Mallow
Oh, wow, okay. So I think when people started looking at statues of Buddhas, they'll look at it in a different ways.
Marilynne Roach
Well I was just saying in San Francisco, there's a huge Asian Art Museum, in Cleveland they have a large collection of Buddha's sculptures, but you could even look at them online, you don't have to go anywhere, and you'll see that the postures that Buddha is in are not always identical 'cause he's doing a healing mudra but bringing in energy of a certain type.
Stan Mallow
Now in yoga studios and yoga shows all over the planet, everyone it seems, is talking about and praising the power of Kundalini.
Marilynne Roach
Yes.
Stan Mallow
And since Kundalini is one of the courses you teach, can you tell my viewers, what is Kundalini and what is it about it that makes it so powerful?
Marilynne Roach
Well, there is a certain part of us that is invisible, like your spiritual body, you can't see that on somebody.
Stan Mallow
True.
Marilynne Roach
Like what you look at anybody you can't tell... I'm not saying even religion, just whatever their belief system is, some people have them and some people don't, but you can't tell by looking at somebody, whether they have that or what it is or most people can't. So let's say you decide to get into that through meditation or through going to church or... 'Cause in a lot of churches, they do have a silent prayer that's called meditation, even in the Catholic church is a silent prayer in their mass, it's really all the same, it's just a different language, but at any rate, most people in the silent prayer, talk to their own understanding of God, "Oh, please, you know, do this, do this do..." They don't listen. Meditation is the opposite, you're tuned in but you're listening, and you notice that the second you do it, you hear this voice say, "Hello, here we are." It doesn't work that way but your intuition, your impressions, your discernment, your confidence, your peace of mind, that all improves by doing that. So when your Kundalini is from the Hindu, okay? And it shows that there's like a picture of a snake, but it's coiled up at the bottom of your spine, and when you start to meditate, it sort of starts to open and rise until it hits different sensitive points in the body, and it makes you more aware of what's going on of yourself, of what is the best way to manage things. And so when the... That's more the idea of not your intelligence but your wisdom is affiliated with Kundalini, which is quite different than your intellectual body.
Stan Mallow
Kundalini from your description on it, if I know about it, is indeed very, very, very powerful.
Marilynne Roach
Yeah.
Stan Mallow
If somebody say did it without training or the supervision of somebody like yourself, can it not be dangerous?
Marilynne Roach
Yes it can, because sometime people reach too far up too soon. So for example, pretend you have a torchiere lamp with a 100 watt light bulb in it, okay? If you wanna put a 300 watt bulb in there, you have to rewire the lamp or it's gonna blow out, and that's what happens to people too, when they go too fast. Or like someone learning to drive a car and they're driving at 90 and they've never driven before, it's ridiculous, you're over your ability to be in control of yourself.
Stan Mallow
What you're saying I think it's very important for the viewers to listen to and to heed 'cause you know, many times things are quote unquote in like Kundalini, but there can dangers obviously from doing it on your own, so it's very important that or sweat lodge, is there anything else like that, bad things can happen?
Marilynne Roach
Oh, absolutely. The only time I ever was involved with the sweat lodge, the person conducting it was a physician. So if somebody became, you know, it was too much for them, he would make them get out before there was problem and he knew what to do. So I wouldn't just do that with just anybody.
Stan Mallow
Agree with you totally, and I'm glad you brought that out that if someone is interested in Kundalini, they should go with a skilled person like yourself who knows how far to take it and when to withdraw.
Marilynne Roach
Yes, but when you're teaching meditation, people's Kundalini is rising a little bit, but you don't wanna the next day, quit your job and go meditate 24 seven, that's ridiculous. But there are people who do such things and it's not recommended.
Stan Mallow
Okay, glad we covered that. Now angels have been around for thousands of years,
Marilynne Roach
Yes
Stan Mallow
perhaps from the beginning of time itself or before. What in your opinion is an angel? Where did they come from? How did they come to be? What is their purpose and what is the difference between an angel and an archangel?
Marilynne Roach
Oh, okay, well that's a lot of questions.
Stan Mallow
I know but I just realized I should have done one at a time but I did it .
Marilynne Roach
Don't worry it's fine. But I'm just gonna say Kundalini has been around for 5,000 years too. Kundalini has been around forever, it's not new, it may become hip right now but it's very old. So if you go to India or places where the religion is more practiced, it's part of the common conversation, like you see a cross in the United States on the church. It looks normal to people because they're used to it. But at any rate, angels are beings that were created, let's just say in the big bang, when the earth was created, but they only have enough gravity like weight in their soul to drop as far down into the gravity of the earth. So they stay at a level that's very close to let's say, the higher spiritual level. And archangels are in charge of things in life, like, think of a university, if you're going to get a PhD, these people would be like the PhD professors that specialize in like math or whatever you wanna study. And then angels are their helpers, they're like the graduate students, the TAs in a college that can help you, but some archangels are more powerful, and Michael, Archangel Michael or Saint Michael is the CEO of the archangelic world. He's in charge of all the archangels and all the angels. And so, if you have to learn something or you're struggling with something on the earth plane, let's say, I don't know whatever it is, a lot of people are struggling 'cause of COVID right now, but ordinary life problems keep occurring. Just 'cause its COVID doesn't mean you don't get in a fight with your sister-in-law or something or whatever.
Stan Mallow
Right.
Marilynne Roach
They can be... They won't work with you without your permission, you have to ask. And it just could be as simple as, "Hey, St. Michael help me." But Michael is in charge of protection, not just of your body, but of like the people who come... like a guard, okay? And that's why people in the military service and law enforcement officials often wear a Michael or have a tattoo of Michael the Archangel, 'cause they're in battling and dangerous physical situation. Where, for example, Raphael the Archangel has to do with healing. So for people who are ill... And I remember when I first started working at the hospital a long time ago, sometime a person would have a piece of tape and have a prayer card of... They have angel taped on the door of the room 'cause it was a blessing over the staff, the doctor, not just the patient and all the people who took care of them for a better outcome. And that practice is long gone but so people can use... Because angels are very helpful, but you have to get out of your way and let them work. And a lot of people, as I tell people, all your angels are sitting flapping their wings on the unemployment line, so give them a job, they're waiting for you. Call them to work, they'd be more than happy, it's like an unemployed person who wants a job.
Stan Mallow
I love how you explain things, I got to tell you that, you do it in everyday language that the people could understand it, and that's appreciated, thank you for that, that's good.
Marilynne Roach
Well, I think that you're able to reach more people that way. These things aren't that complicated even though a lot of the old books you read use all this language, but if you can't explain it in a simple way, then you don't get it yourself, that's what I think.
Stan Mallow
But you say it's make sense. Now, when it comes to angels, there is much talk about guardian angels, everyone seems to think or hope that they have one. Does everyone have a guardian angel? And if they do, how does one find out who that guardian angle is, and how do they go about communicating with them?
Marilynne Roach
Well, you may communicate with them, but not know who they are. And you might have a change up. Let's say when you're a child, your childhood conditions are anyhow whatever. I'm from Buffalo, New York with our chicken wings, so I'll say, are your childhood conditions, hot, medium or mild. So, let's say you have a hot situation, which means it's not that stable. Then you might have a certain angel that's there to guide you, but you have to listen and stay out of its way 'cause sometime they'll tell you like... I just did a reading this morning with a lady, and one of her guardians is St. Mary of Knack who is more from the Catholic church, but she's kept... And the idea is Saint Mary of Knack keep silent, even when you're in a situation, you observe and you don't talk 'cause that's your best and that's a challenge. 'Cause when somebody is talking the guardian let down most people's response is to not be that calm and to say something but not anything inciting, like, you know, I heard that or thank you for saying that or whatever, which is hard to do, but, and then as you move along in life, you go ahead and get a different... Just like going to college, your math professor this semester is not gonna be your poetry teacher in the next semester 'cause they're in a different department. Or for example, pretend you're studying; I'm gonna pick on Mozart for a minute. A lot of people feel that Mozart had some kind of help 'cause if you look at the movie "Amadeus" which is old, he heard all the orchestration simultaneously and he wrote down everything only once, that's true in this movie, and there was never in a ratio. So how did he even possibly do this? Many people think he had a musical atonement from an Archangel that just fed him up. And many people, if you have a hobby and you're really into it, I don't care if it's birdwatching or baking or whatever, when you're doing what you love, the time passes like this, you go, "Oh my God, I've been doing this for three hours. It felt like 15 minutes." That's when you're in your zone. So everybody has to find what that is for themselves, and the angels sort of hook you up or train you or help you to find a place where your creativity and your soul's expression and your inner happiness are connected to your outer life, so your life is like more blended together. You don't go to a job you hate every day or you need to change your attitude or find another job, but cause then you're working against yourself, and many people have that feeling unfortunately.
Stan Mallow
Ellen, next question I have for you, you sort of answered, but maybe you'll elaborate a bit more on it. When I've spoken with people who are aware of their guardian angel, most seem to connect most with Michael than Gabriel or Raphael or any of the other angels
Marilynne Roach
Or Uriel.
Stan Mallow
What do you think--
Marilynne Roach
Let me talk of--
Stan Mallow
is the reason for that?
Marilynne Roach
four archangels. even though Uriel is not in the canonical, not in the Bible, but that's true. That is true. But also I call on him episodically, like if I know someone's ill that I know, in addition to writing their name, maybe in a prayer list, I ask Archangel Raphael to go and put a blessing on that person 'cause they don't need me worrying about them, then I'm sending him my fear and negativity. But some people have other guardian angels that work together, sort of like coaches, if you think of athletics. You know how, when a professional team they have different coaches for different skills, depending on what you need to learn to play football? Well, that's what it's sorta like. Sometime they send you to a different coach, but your main line ones are there.
Stan Mallow
Now next question, if you don't wanna answer it that's okay? But out of curiosity, do you know who your guardian angel is?
Marilynne Roach
Yes, but one of them is Michael, but I have another one that's a little more personal,
Stan Mallow
And how long have been--
Marilynne Roach
but I'll tell you something, If you're working, okay... Pretend you're a scientist and you're trying to discover the cure for a disease and everybody around the whole world and all these countries, all in their laboratories are doing the same thing, and all of a sudden in some country somewhere, somebody announces, "I have this," within one week, all the other labs say, "Oh yes, yes, yes," well, why is that? I think that's unique. It's because the angels are opening up the universe to allow somebody who's tuned into this, and then they prove this person is right, and maybe it generates a cure to help humanity, that's one thing they do. Like If you're studying something, you might get an archangel, then it's a film like broadcasting maybe you have somebody.
Stan Mallow
Now, how long have you been aware of the angels that are around you?
Marilynne Roach
Probably since I was 13.
Stan Mallow
Very young.
Marilynne Roach
Yes, but I had my first experience when I was eight. And so at that time, I became a lot obsessed with going to the library 'cause I thought that someone in the universe must have written a book about what this is, and if I could find this book, it would tell me what this all was. So I read tons and tons of books, which of course didn't reveal it. So at that time, when I was eight years old, I had two life goals, one was to become a librarian, get a job in the Smithsonian library, so on my lunch hour, I could eventually find "the book." or the other one I liked to ice skate, and my other one was to be in the Walt Disney Icecapades. But neither one of them happened, but that's okay.
Stan Mallow
In what situations have you called upon your angels for help and guidance?
Marilynne Roach
Well, when I wake up, I call them. But for a long time, I worked in the emergency room of a major local hospital, and so, you can't say these things aloud, but I'd call them in over my patients or sometime the angel would show me what was wrong with the person before the doctor found out. And so you have to be very careful of... You don't wanna overstep people or have people think you're invalid. So I had to use it silently and in a very cautious manner but sometime depending on the doctor, I could say, "Hey, have you thought it might be this? As long as you're taking a blood test, let's put another check mark here. It's not another tool, no harm done." And it would come out something that gave a clue to the doctor. So that's cool. I used it every single day when I worked there and I use it in my practice too, 'cause when someone comes in for a reading, I try and call out their people for them, whether it's like their father or, you know, whatever it is who crossed over that they wanna get a message from or their angel trying to direct them for a better life path for themselves. So I use them all the time. I have this whole other conversation going on that's sort of invisible.
Stan Mallow
Now, I know your reputation is incredible, you've helped a lot of people and are continuing to help people. Before you get involved in a session, is there anything that you do, any ritual, any prayer, any meditation, because it has to take a lot of energy from you to connect? It doesn't?
Marilynne Roach
Well, I'll tell you what, it depends how you do it.
Stan Mallow
Okay
Marilynne Roach
The idea... No, I always open with a prayer every session and it's usually a prayer of protection and safety 'cause you don't want extraneous things coming in. But before the person gets there or the morning before I look at my book, I sort of meditate a little bit on each client that's coming, see what I get, and then I say the prayer at the beginning of the session, along with the date and then I begin. But the point is, you don't use your own energy to do a reading. You tune in up there and you bring that energy. I'll call it the Holy spirit for lack of a better term.
Stan Mallow
'Cause most people
Marilynne Roach
Sure
Stan Mallow
know what that means. You bring that energy down through you and you listen and they do the reading. You're just a voice.
Marilynne Roach
And so again, you brought up something else that's very important, unlike certain things we're talking about for our in and people do it without knowing what the consequences could be. Same thing when it comes to mediumship channeling, et cetera, people have to be very careful that they go with the white light, not go with darkness, they bring them the right spirits to them.
Stan Mallow
Right.
Marilynne Roach
But in the beginning, you know, they practiced, it's like, don't get a driver's license, you first go to the grocery store, you don't drive 2000 miles to Florida without anybody but yourself. So it's the same thing, is that everything, like when you back out of the driveway, you look, that's protection, it's one of the first things they teach you when you learn to drive, look around before you pull out. So it's the same thing, just because it's something spiritual, it doesn't mean that common sense does not apply because you wouldn't... If I told everybody listening to open their front door and invite the first person in that you see that walks down your street for a coffee, whether you know him or not, that would be a really stupid recommendation, and dangerous. So if you don't do it down here, don't do it up there. It's just simple.
Stan Mallow
Then that's great down whole advice. That is good. Now your first experience, like you said, you were eight years old, very young. Did you share it with anyone, friends, family members or you kept it to yourself?
Marilynne Roach
No, not at the time because I was afraid that someone would think there was something wrong with me, 'cause it was not in my family. There was no conversation I ever heard in my whole life that involved spirits or anything like that. So I was sort of afraid that something bad would happen to me or whatever or somebody would think I was a kook, which some people still do, but now it doesn't bother me.
Stan Mallow
Yes, okay. You've learned right? I remember when I set this center, right? "To thy known self be true." Is validity in that, that's for sure? And I think if more people were themselves, that would be great.
Marilynne Roach
Yes, but then that's what part of the purposes of meditation to become your true self and come in alignment with that, and then your life's a lot nicer.
Stan Mallow
I mean, I'm telling you, I hope you write a book, one day I'll have you on this show about that, all of these bits of wisdom that you have, 'cause you take some complicated things or things that are sometimes put across as being complicated, and putting it in everyday terms that people could understand it. So compliments to you.
Marilynne Roach
Thank you very much. You just gave me a reading. I appreciate it.
Stan Mallow
Okay, I hope, I know you got witnesses to this, remember that.
Marilynne Roach
I will.
Stan Mallow
Okay, I'm gonna take you up on it. And remember to come on my show.
Marilynne Roach
I definitely will.
Stan Mallow
Because I think there was a need for what you're doing, absolutely. Now should any of my viewers wanna book reading with you, learn about your classes, the various services you offer and your upcoming events you'll be at, how do they go about contacting you?
Marilynne Roach
Well, if you wanna go on my website, you can make an appointment, sign up for my newsletter. And a lot of the cheap classes that I'm teaching now are online, and so you don't have to live in my vicinity in order to attend. And my private readings are online also, I can do my zoom on the phone or not so much in person with COVID, but I will be going back to that when it's sortable, at least in Buffalo, 'cause in the summer you can do it outside, but when the winter comes, we won't be studying out there in the snow.
Stan Mallow
Buffalo is a lovely, lovely city, much underrated regretfully,
Marilynne Roach
I agree
Stan Mallow
but it's up and coming.
Marilynne Roach
But that's why I like to travel, jump to tropical places, so it makes a good balance.
Stan Mallow
So I have a question for you. You had mentioned people could contact you on your website, but you did not give it out.
Marilynne Roach
It's rev, R-E-V-E-L Bourn B-O-U-R-N, just all small, no punctuation@gmail.com.
Stan Mallow
Okay. Very good. I thank you for that, 'cause I know if we did the show as was, they're gonna say, "How do I contact her?" Okay now you've told them.
Marilynne Roach
Yeah, thank you for bringing that up I appreciate it. Yes, sure, I'd like to be able to help more folks.
Stan Mallow
Great, I mean, it seems it's part of your DNA, part of who you are, you get a joy, you just don't do it, it's joy coming from you. I think it's fun. Yeah. I like it. And it's very rewarding. If you can help somebody, that's nice too. Right. Now, Reverend Ellen Bourn, I thank you for being my guest on Paranormal Yakker. It's been a joy yakking with you, absolutely. I look forward to future interviews with you, so we can discuss other esoteric subjects that you excel in, and so many of them. So I thank you. Hi everyone. I'm Stan Mallow, host of Paranormal Yakker, an exciting free YouTube series that explores everything from ghosts to UFOs. To view this series, just click on any of the photos thumbnails below. I will greatly appreciate it, if you subscribed to my free YouTube channel. All you have to do is click on the subscribe for free button at the top of this page, thanks.