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Season 1 Episode 20

Cheryl Costa. UFO Blogger, Author.
From 2013 to 2019 Cheryl Costa wrote the popular weekly online blog/column New York Skies and reported the UFO beat for the Syracuse New Times newspaper. Her book, The UFO Beat: The New York Skies Column July 2013 to June 2019 is based on those columns. Because of her expertise in the UFO field Cheryl has been a speaker at the International UFO Congress, at MUFON Symposiums, and numerous other UFO conferences. In her interview with Stan Mallow, the Paranormal Yakker, Cheryl talks about some of the more than 250 columns she has written on UFO sightings. She also tells him the circumstances surrounding her first UFO sighting, when she was only twelve years old. Other UFO sightings she has personally witnessed are also discussed. In this interview, Cheryl reveals the locations of the hot spots of UFO activity and explains the reasons alien beings are attracted to those areas.

Transcript of video Interview

Stan Mallow
Hi everyone, I'm Stan Mallow. Welcome to Paranormal Yakker. My guest on today's show who I'll be yakking with is Cheryl Costa, author of The UFO Beat, The New York Skies Column, July 2013 to June 2019. Cheryl Costa, welcome to Paranormal Yakker.
Cheryl Costa
Thank you so much, Stan.
Stan Mallow
I'm so happy that you're here. Now, your book, The UFO Beat, is based on the weekly online blog column you wrote for many years for the Syracuse New Times newspaper. How did you convince the powers that be at the newspaper that articles about UFOs were still relevant and that it would be popular with the general public, which, as it turned out, it did. That has my curiosity. What was your pitch? How did you go about going to a prestigious newspaper, speaking to the powers that be there, and talk to them about your column?
Cheryl Costa
Well, okay, it started really strangely. I worked for a different newspaper across town and I was in the technical department. I made the plates every night. And I was there, also, if some of the electronics broke down or something like that. And I was finishing a late in life writing degree. The presses were rolling. All I had to do is wait for two hours for the run to be done and we could all go home. And I glanced at cnn.com, online, and there was a little sidebar story and it said, UFOs have been declining since the 1980s, maybe they were always just an urban legend. And I looked at that and I said, I've been reading this stuff for years and I never really got public with it until after I got out of my corporate aerospace job where I had a clearance and they kind of frowned on UFO research and that kind of thing. And I said, that feels like misinformation. For the first time in my life, I went out to the National UFO Reporting Center's website and I found some back page that's got some end-of-year goals and I quickly threw 'em into a little spreadsheet. The graph from 1980 to 2000 went up like this. And I'm going, what memo did the UFOs get? And I thought, wow, this is cool. Over the next couple of evenings, I had never been to that site, I have never even looked at that kind of stuff, other than reading articles on UFOs, I started reading some of the reports. Now, I kind of half bought into the kooks and nuts thing that people report UFOs kind of thing. I mean, I didn't know any better. And as I started reading it, some of these little articles that people wrote, I'd say, wait a minute, these people are just trying to get it off their chest. There's no hoax here. This is some people were doing something and something amazing happened and they just wanted to tell somebody. One guy, literally, I remember the second or third one I read, I called the cops, they wouldn't talk to me, I called in my local newspaper, they wouldn't talk to me, that kind of stuff. I took a couple of these longer narratives that were in the, in a lot of these reports, you get two lines, if you're lucky, and sometimes there were a little bit more narrative to it, and what I started doing was writing them up in traditional newspaper form as a little two or 300 word article and I wrote 'em up in such a way that it was very matter of fact, just like the burglary down the street, the fire down the street, the car accident across town, that kind of thing, it's just the same way. The only thing I didn't have was, in newspapers, it's who, what, when, where, why. I didn't know why and if I did know why and could confirm it, I'd be getting a Nobel prize. And I couldn't tell you who because the database doesn't tell you who. And later, much later when I got the column, my editor and I agreed that since there was such a stigma associated with it, even if we did know who, and later we did, we had people calling us and sharing their stories with us, we didn't wanna out anybody because of the stigma. If you read one of my articles or narratives, it said, Bob and Suzie were on the hood of Bob's car. I made up Bob and Suzie and if he didn't tell me what kind of car, I made up the car too. But the facts of the sighting were always solid. My editors were very comfortable with the way I approached it in this very matter of fact way, in a way that protect. What happened was, I wrote up five or six of these stories, I went to the editors of the newspaper I worked for, which was the bigger newspaper. The senior vice president editor, he looked at it with intrigue. I made a case. I gave him a couple, three or four slides. I said, here's my pitch, here's the demographics I think we're gonna go for. Now, I didn't wanna be in the print paper. I said, if you wanna put it in print paper, fine, but I think since we're trying to develop our webpage, let's put it there, bring the page views in. And I'd been around newspapers all my life a little bit. When I was in high school, I was a cub photographer for a local newspaper when I was high school. Anyhow, my editor once told me, pictures sell newspapers pictures of scandals sell more newspapers. And that was the approach. I said, wait a minute, page views are what drive the web side of this thing, and if we can generate a big page view thing, there's a possible big anchor for a big advertiser, if we got the volume to show for it. He thought about that and he ran it by the editor board, again, this was a big newspaper, and they all kinda laughed it out of the meeting. And I went to some other editors, other newspapers around upstate New York, and I got laughed out of the office, chased out of the office, escorted to the door by security kind of thing. Then I went down to Syracuse New Times, which is weekly. The new chief editor there was a guy by the name of Larry Dietrich, and Larry had been a senior copy editor at that big newspaper and he had taken a buyout and retired, all kind of in the same thing. I called him up and said, can I come over and talk to you? He said, sure, come on over. There was already a buzz out there, so he said he already had an idea of what I wanted to talk about. We had a cup of tea and he says, let me tell you some stuff, and he sat there and told me stuff, we were about the same age, and he sat there and told me some stuff about what he was like growing up as a kid reading articles by Frank Edwards and some of the great guys back in the late '60s and stuff. We had read essentially all the same books. Well, after a good 20 minute meeting of the minds, so to speak, he says, show me what you got. I showed him my demographic stuff, a couple sample articles, and he says, okay, we'll try you out for a month. What was fun was, he sorta had that tone, if you've ever watched The Princess Bride, the Dread Pirate Roberts, I'll most likely kill you in the morning, Westley, that kind of thing. He said, I'll try you out for a month. About a month later, he calls me up, he says, Cheryl come on in, we gotta talk. And so, I come walking in late to this meeting, five minutes late because they're redoing the parking lot and it's a hard place to park out there, I come walking into the meeting, he stops talking, and he looks over at me from the conference room table where all these other columnists were and he points over at me and says, there's our rockstar. And I'm looking, I'm just, what are you talking about? He says, you're drawing more page views than all the columnists combined. Just keep doing it. He knew when he tried me out, in fact, the preface of the book he wrote, one of the two prefaces in the book, and he said, I knew this was gonna be a slam dunk and there was gonna be a lot more interest than all the rest of this stuff in the paper. That's how I got started. Now, where the hinge is is here we are seven years later, 237 articles later, major news services in the United States have picked up my stories a number of times. Fox News picked me up four or five times. Nobody will give me a job. For the past year, I have been kicking my butt off trying to get somebody to pick me up as a stringer to do a weekly or biweekly column for them. If you would've thought that after December 16th, 2017, hey, the Navy's got these things flying over the fleet, and all this stuff that has been come trickling out, you would've thought somebody would've said, well, that makes good sense, let's have that here. But no, a lot of these regional editors and news directors at TV stations are jilting, oh, that's kooks and crackpots stuff. I even had a TV station in Rochester, New York, investigating me, find out what kind of a headcase I was.
Stan Mallow
Well like I said, I feel very good about it, and I hope that a result of maybe you being on the Paranormal Yakker, your stock will go up even more and people will ask you to do what I think there's a need for right now. And you present things extremely well. You saw your first UFO at any early age. How old were you? Where were you when it happened? What did it look like? And what thoughts were going on in your mind when you saw the UFO?
Cheryl Costa
Previous to June of this year, I usually told people in the interviews, I had my first one when I was about 12, in mid-August when I was 12, about '65 I think it was, and my second was on Christmas Eve 1971 when I was in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam, I was in the Air Force. About a month ago, I had a sighting that made me remember when I had one when I was 14, 15 years old, and I'll tell you about that if you like. The first one, it was a late August afternoon, about three weeks before school started. Rural area, we were up visiting an aunt and uncle's farm kind of thing, the corn was higher than the car kind of thing. And we're coming down the dirt road and my mother asked my father to pull the car off the road. Walks out into the clear blue western sky and out there in the clear blue western sky, there's this ball of light out there, sitting there like a rock. And give you an idea, if you hold your arm out and look at your little fingernail, it was that big. My mom explained to me, again, I was 12, my brother and sisters were outward, so they were out of it, but my mom explained to me, she says, that might be something the Air Force is doing, it could be a weather balloon. NASA was only five or six years old at that point. She says, it might be something NASA's doing. And then she pauses and she said, it might be people from another world. It got my attention. We talked about it for a little bit and then we finally got back on the road and we got down to the bottom of the hill, turned left to go back towards my hometown of Corning, New York. It was a big old Chevy Impala and I crawled up in the back window of that thing and I'm looking at it and I kept asking, who are those guys, who are you guys, come on. And when that thing decided to go, it was like you see in the Star Trek type of movies, pow. A thing like that changes you. And anybody I've interviewed over the years doing my column, things like this, that's ever seen one leave, they say, it changes you, you're just never the same again when you see something. That stayed with me. And actually, teenage kids and mom and dad, mom and dad are stupid, that kind of thing, and that actually bonded my mom and I together a bit, we started getting books at the library, that kind of thing, and I'd read one, she'd read one, and then we'd share a little book report with each other, sometimes I'd ask for a cup of coffee. And then what happened was, it was really weird, Erich von Daniken's book came out, hard copy in our household, my mom dog-earred on the top of the pages and I dog-earred on the bottom. Our book was destroyed with our dog-ear. That was when I was about 17-ish. When I was 14, now, I remember this again, coming out of the house, we had just eaten supper around six o'clock, it was overcast sky. Just below the overcast, I saw a wedge-shaped thing moving very slow, and it had a row of lights along the bottom of it and they would blink on and blink off. It wasn't like strobes, it was like blink on, blink off. And it was about 10 or 12 lights along the bottom of it. I tried to get my father to look up. I'm not looking up there, it's something stupid, and they all need to turn their blinkers off. And nobody would look, he wouldn't. The bottom line, that was really my second sighting. And the reason I remember that is my spouse and I were on vacation the second week of June this year, Thousand Islands, we have access to a cottage up there, and after dark it's a billion stars kind of thing. And my spouse was looking out the bedroom window, it was about 10 o'clock at night, a little after 10, and she said, that is not an airplane. I looked over there and by golly, there was a boomerang flying, and when it turned coming towards the States from Canada, you could see its profile and lights blinking on, blinking off. I remembered it. We were sitting there after dark, we had just gotten ready for bed, we were literally in our birthday suits, so I'm sitting here scrambling in my diabetic notebook what it looked like and the time and all that stuff. Now what would be my third sighting was Christmas Eve 1971. I was walking up to the Bates Chapel to go to midnight mass for something to do, and a good friend of mine, we were walking along, again, a gazillion stars in the western sky. Right below Leo, saw this thing streaking across the sky, and then it stopped. Wait a minute, I thought that was a jet. Helicopters don't fly that fast and jets don't stop. Not in 1971, they didn't. I looked at my friend and I says, if that's what I think it is, then do something goofy. And it started dancing around like a little fairy and it went, pow, on. And when we got to midnight mass, our minds were certainly not at midnight mass.
Stan Mallow
That's certainly understandable. Now, certain areas seem to be hotspots for UFO activity, they attract them like magnets. Could you share where some of them might be? And why do you think it is that the reason why UFOs are attracted to these areas?
Cheryl Costa
Well, okay, you mean nationally or in New York state?
Stan Mallow
Column A and column B, New York state first 'cause that's where you live.
Cheryl Costa
Okay, New York state, 'cause New York state is my beat. We started collecting county data. These are database collects county, well, I shouldn't say, the National UFO Reporting Center does not collect county data. In fact, I got them on the phone one day and asked them, did they collect, do you have it? If you do, would you display it? She said, no, we don't collect it. If you wanna know what county it's in, put a pin on the map and I would see. NUFORC does collect it, but it's dependent upon the person filling out the report. Nine times out of 10, they don't know where they are. They might know the city or something like that, but they don't know what county, of course, and they're wrong when entered in the database. We put county data into a combined database that we built from both. What was strange was people who were upstate New York investigators would look at us and say, wait a minute, we didn't know there was a cluster there, we didn't know there was cluster over there either. And how did we find this? Well, a lot of places up in the rural areas are not, a lot of the little townships and things like that, they're not much more than a cattle crossing and a volunteer fire department and a general store that sells Häagen-Dazs. And that's about it. And so, what was happening is, a little sighting here, a little sighting there didn't look like much until you threw it against the county and then suddenly, you started seeing clusters. The hotspots are goofy. Alone in New York state, New York City has a lot. Yes, the Hudson Valley's a hotspot. People down there will tell you it's a hotspot. The ground zero in New York state is Suffolk County, Long Island, and that's the plain truth. Manhattan Island, unusually enough, is right up there in the top two or three. And then, number four was Nassau County, Long Island. And then, if you go up Hudson, you get some of it right out across the Hudson. Then, you go along the New York state thruway, which was originally the Erie Canal, so you've got Albany, Utica, Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo. Now, something goofy with Buffalo, we always knew that there was this thing called the Lake Erie Effect. Now, oh, there's tons of sightings out there at Lake Erie, Cheryl, and the Niagara frontier. That's what they all told me. It was easy to believe, but when we put the county data to it, suddenly we found out that Monroe County, essentially Rochester, almost as many sightings. And the upstate New York investigators are looking at me saying, we didn't know there was a Lake Ontario effect. And there's Indian lore and Colonial lore that swear that there's a city underneath Lake Ontario, which is something interesting to digest if you think about it--
Stan Mallow
Yes.
Cheryl Costa
And I got part of that from the Canadian side. I got one spurred from the Canadian side going back into the 18th, 19th century type of thing where they thought that there was a city underneath the Ontario that brings lights and things.
Stan Mallow
I just know that these areas in New York state where there's been a lot of UFO activity, why do you think UFOs are going to those areas and not other areas? What's it about it? Is it the topography? Is it the energy there? Is it vortexes? Do you have any idea what it could be?
Cheryl Costa
My digital editor was a guy by the name of Ty Marshall. And at one point, after I had this county data, I went up there and laid out stuff on one of the big tables they had up in the editorials room and I laid it out and showed him all this stuff and different counties had this different spikes going on. And he said, I want you to check natural resources, earthquake faults, oil, pollution, lay lines, tribal burial grounds, you name it, I want you to check. And we did. And we kept coming up short. Finally, I called Ben Moss, who at that time was the chief investigator for MUFON Virginia. Ben, he had a terrible case of the flu, but he says, can you get yourself a Native American territories map? And I said, yeah, I got some friends at the history organization here. And he says, get one and lay it out over your areas, your thing. I said okay, fine. I got one, I got a map, and we made a transparency of it, trunk down, to go overtop of my map, and darn if they didn't line up with all of the Native American territories in New York state. Now, if you wanna know where they are in the state and why they're there in the state, the guy you need to talk to is my counterpart up in Troy, New York. His name is Tom Conwell. And then, off air I'll give you his contact information. Tom has taken my data and gone out there and started researching all the different things that were going on and he has found they seemed to be intrigued by our brown fields, pollution sites, polluted rivers. If there's pollution there or a dead mining town or something like that, they seem to be very intrigued with our waste area. And if you talk to the people who have been, the experiencers, they will tell you almost to a person, oh, yeah, ET, they told us take care of your planet.
Stan Mallow
That is intriguing what you just said. Now, you have authored hundreds of articles focused on UFO sightings. Could you share some of them, and did any of them stand out over the other? And if so, why?
Cheryl Costa
I don't have the book in front of me, so I'm pulling from my memory now. But I'll pull the one that is very, very intriguing. I didn't, towards the last couple years of the column, I wrote outside of New York state, as well. In New York state, it was February of 2013. I sat on the story to the end of 2013, sat on it for a reason. I kept trying to get colleague newspaper people in upstate New York to do a story about it, and they laughed me out of the office when I tried to talk to them. There was this sighting up near an industrial park up near Schenectady. And again, this is February timeframe, it's cold, it's winter, and some people saw three blue lights come down. They came down, they were coming down, and when they got close, and remember, it's still pretty high in the air, they all went together and formed one blue ball. And when the blue ball came down into the industrial park area, people, the little access road that was running along with local traffic on it, all the cars starting quitting. Cell phone pictures, all that kind of thing, all died. People in the article said that they could almost reach up and touch it, it's about 12, 18 feet off the ground. It was that close. And then it started lifting up and it split back apart into three pieces and they went off in different directions. Then the cars started turning. And I sat on that story, it was on the front page number for it, and I sat on it 'til the end of the year, the very last story I wrote in 2013. That one is always fascinating to me. I had people coming to me all the time and saying, Cheryl, you should go out there to Spook Hill there in upstate New York, it's out in Yates County. If you look up magnetic anomaly hills, there's about 88 of 'em on the planet, where something really weird is there. You go up to the one we have up in Yates County, they call it Spook Hill, you can drive your car up the hill and down the hill, put your car in neutral, and it'll pull you back up the hill. If you go on YouTube, there's a picture of a state police guy sitting at the bottom of the hill, putting the car in neutral, going up the hill. People said, well that's gotta have a lot of UFOs. I pulled the data, because at this point, I had a lot of data in the database. I'm pulling the data, Yates County had the least amount of sightings in the state, particularly anywhere near that area. That's kinda telling in itself, you know what I mean? There's two for you right there. I don't really dwell on the Hudson Valley, though. There's a lot of good ones. Probably in the Hudson Valley, there's a number of what I wanna call regional experts down there. When people see them, they don't report to NUFORC or MUFON, they tend to call up their local researcher, people like Linda Zimmerman. And it never makes it into the national database. The numbers are off. I get yelled at all the time about Pine Bush. Pine Bush has gotta be ground zero, and it isn't. It might be if people would report them to one of the bigger databases. There was a, one thing we did determine, looking up and down the Hudson, along, people were seeing they're around water. Now, we don't have UFO reports in the database, per se, but there's something else that's telling. I took all the counties on either side of the Hudson and I went all the counties that were part of the Saint Lawrence Seaway, right down to the middle of the Erie, and I added up their numbers, and it was 19% of New York state's sightings were along the seaway, 31% were along river, and right down to, this is breaking for Long Island, I didn't follow it to Long Island. Bottom line, basically, it's 50 or 60% of the sightings in New York state were on these two major waterways. Now people have been telling me for years, well, there's a lot of UFO sightings around New York's Finger Lakes. No one lake stands out by itself, but if you take the county model against it and look at the combined counties. Let's say you've got Finger Lakes here and you take the combined counties around it and look at it, that added another 12 or 15% to the overall thing. They seem to be extremely intrigued by our water. There are Native American stories, and they put an Indian goddess name to it, that type of thing, they used to attribute it to a particular Native American goddess, I believe it was Cayuga Lake, and later, someone told me Seneca Lake, as well, would have a bright object rise up out of the lake and soar off into the sky. Well, Seneca Lake, something very interesting about that is the Navy's been using it for deep water testing for years because it's one of the top three or four deep water, freshwater lakes in the world. And so, again, maybe they got a base down there, who knows. But the bottom line is, a lot of sightings around the Finger Lakes. There was a huge story from the early '50s down in the Binghamton, New York area. And if you want to cut me off at any time.
Stan Mallow
I'm intrigued with this, so thank you.
Cheryl Costa
Binghamton, New York area, girl who was a member of the Girls Club grew up to become an astronomer because of this event. She was about fifth grade, she was really into stars and the moon and positions and things like this. There was about 45 or 50 girls in there at this thing. It's late in November, early December, there was a little bit of snow on the ground kind of thing. They came outside at nine o'clock when the place was closing up. This big, bright orange ball came down very close to where they were, within a block. The girls were terrified, went running back into the girls center. The people who ran the place, oh, no, no, no, no, that's the moon, and the girls had been pointing over there, and the little fifth grade girl says, no, the moon is over there, that thing is over there, that kind of thing. I've had a lot of letters on that one. A lot of people say, if it comes down to trusting the government or trusting the Girl Scouts, I'll trust the Girls Club, that kind of thing.
Stan Mallow
What stories you have, incredible.
Cheryl Costa
It's some interesting ones. I did some of my experiencers up here in New York. There was one about a guy up in the, I'm gonna say up around the Bath, New York area back in the early '70s, and this guy was retired. He went out to go hunting in the middle of January or February, type thing. It was cold weather where you wouldn't really stay out there more than a couple of hours, even if you're well dressed. He finds himself late afternoon, he went out in the morning, early morning, about breakfast time is when he'd go out hunting. And he gets back to his wits and he's sitting on a stump and his gun is laying next to the stump and he's sitting there, looks at his watch, and it's four o'clock in the afternoon. He had had almost an entire day's worth of lost time. A similar one, Lake George, there were these people that were visiting a gentleman up on Lake George. He had a cabin up there and a big outdoor thing. And they saw these bright lights dancing over the lake and they thought, maybe it's fireworks or something, and that was how they pretty much wrote it off, they came up with a conventional explanation. Well, they all went home. Next thing you know, he's getting ready for bed and he notices all these bright lights around his cabin. Next thing he knows, he wakes up, turns out it's three days later, and he's 25 miles from home wearing somebody else's clothes, and he tried to tell the state police and they took him to a psych ward. And it took him two weeks to get out of this psych ward. Nobody would believe him that he had this lost time and all this weird stuff. And he sold his cabin and moved as far away from there as he could, and moved to New York City with lots of people around him. Now, the caveat to that story is--
Stan Mallow
Yep.
Cheryl Costa
Our friend, Linda Cornell, was in New York City in what, about '89, and the ETs levitated her out of her tenth floor apartment and took her up into the spacecraft and it was witnessed by somebody senior in the UN staff and his security detail. It was, I don't wanna call it a scandal, but it was quite a touchy little international incident there that these guys witnessed this event of this woman being levitated out along with these two little ETs beside her being swept into this thing. We've had some cool stuff happen here in New York state.
Stan Mallow
Absolutely. Now, Sir Thomas More may have been a man for all seasons, but you are definitely a woman for all seasons. A submarine sailor, a Buddhist nun, a security engineer for a major aerospace corporation, a published author and playwright. You've done it all and you're doing it all. Where do you get all this energy and creativity from?
Cheryl Costa
People ask where I get this energy. It's strange. I had the nuns, Catholic nuns, I went to Catholic school, and if you haven't figured out by now, I'm a transgender person and I grew up a little boy, and I won't tell you his name, we refer to him as boy Gerald, and he's always helped us. And so, I had a knack for storytelling as a kid, and of course, I grew up in the '60s. I was fascinated with Rod Serling and Twilight Zone. And when I got to college after being in the service, I wanted to be the next Rod Serling.
Stan Mallow
Cheryl, do you feel the alien beings who are visiting our planet today have an agenda, and if they do, what is that agenda? Some people feel the alien beings come here in peace, while others, I'm sure you must've heard, say quite the opposite. What is your take on it?
Cheryl Costa
The people, okay, I'm gonna give you two perspectives on this. Back when they announced space wars, all the midnight to mediums and everybody had that, people dressed up like martians and spacesuits with laser rifles flying through space. Think about the technology it took to get the aliens here. Most mystery writers tell me, well they can't get here. Well, it took Columbus three months to get here, we do it in six hours. And so, maybe they know something we haven't figured out. I mean, hell, in 1946, the idea of breaking the sound barrier was ludicrous. If you were in a polytechnical institute anywhere in the United States, Cal Tech, Rensselaer, any place, and you told your professor in 1938 that you wanted to study rocket technology, they laughed you out of the class. There's many a documented story about that now. And so, it wasn't 'til the Germans showed us in World War II that technology can get there from here, we're just starting to put our feet into it. I'll give you a little bit of an example. You know how the last couple years we've been seeing these cartoons, although you're gonna not see it too well, they're--
Stan Mallow
Yes.
Cheryl Costa
Yeah, the big circles--
Stan Mallow
Yes.
Cheryl Costa
They've been seeing a lot of artist renditions from NASA showing these two round wheels around a thing like a rocket type of thing. Before those things started coming out, that artwork started coming out, there was an article back in popular, I wanna say Popular Mechanics, but it might've been Popular Science, I think it was Popular Mechanics, back, they've been doing more UFO stories, and Popular Mechanics had this story where they were talking to a particular NASA scientist who was working with this idea of he had these two round coils and he had these big capacitors, a big burst of energy through. My training in the Navy was both in electronics, I also trained in the nuclear side of things. But I have a lot of very good physics background. And there's this experiment we used to have in physics class with the slit experiment, you put a light beam through a slit and you get two little light beams over here on a little screen, and if you put two slits, you get five of them, that type of thing. When we were in school, they taught us that was caused due to an interference pattern. What's causing the interference? The quantum physics answer to that is interference with the light beam, the light of the photons going through those slits from other photons in other universes, the many universes theory of quantum physics. Well this guy said, what he was gonna do, he'd work on it a year, he designed these experiments. They're gonna have a laser light going through this thing and it was being collected not only on a flat screen, but it was being collected on a computer screen where they're gonna be able to analyze where those photons were falling. And that was the plan of this project. And they said, well, where did you think this up? He said, non-disclosure, I can't tell you who told me to look into this. And what he was looking to have happen is when he energized his coils, that energy burst, he said, in theory, there was a theory that the interference pattern with those slits was going to change, theoretically impossible. Now, where have we seen that before? There was an STS, I think it was STS-135, one of the space shuttle flights, it was up there, and there was this famous piece where you'd see this little thing kinda flying out there behind the space shuttle and then, it looks like there's a beam of laser coming up from the planet and the thing takes off like a shot. A very famous piece of space shuttle UFO footage. You see, if you, again, television editor person, if you slow down the video and look at it frame by frame, you see this object moving along, suddenly, two frames worth of almost, not a flash, but it was like there's a burst of, remember when TVs would go on antennas, you remember that? And if there was thunderstorm, sometimes as the thunderstorm's getting close, sometimes the screen would kinda white out--
Stan Mallow
Yeah.
Cheryl Costa
That kinda thing. It looked like a white out for two frames. Now, most people would never notice that, but somebody who's a video editor would notice it because we tend to see things in frames. And I saw that. And I'd seen another piece of UFO footage where when the craft left, just in that heartbeat before they left, there was this flash, and I said, somebody told 'em about this technology and this is the physics engineer. And a year later, we start seeing the first conceptions of this new NASA technology, we may have warped drive, all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I know where this is, they've reversed engineered something.
Stan Mallow
Cheryl, should any of my viewers want to buy your book, The UFO Beat, The New York Skies column, July 2013 to June 2019, how do they go about doing that? Also, if anyone would like to have you as a guest speaker at their conference or special event or whatever, what is your contact information?
Cheryl Costa
Okay, the book if they wanna get that, and/or the UFO Sightings Desk Reference, which we published in '17, it's got, it's charts, graphs, and numbers, but if you are into that kind of thing, you wanna know where these things are in your state or in your county, the Desk Reference is a cool little book to have. We're gonna build another one in 2021 as soon as we get all the 2019, 2020 data, we'll have a 20 year snapshot of UFO statistics. But the Beat can be available, if you go onto Amazon.com and go to, call up the part where you search for books, just put in Cheryl with a C, Cheryl Costa, and that's all you gotta put, Cheryl Costa, in the book search section and it'll bring up, you'll see my plays, you'll see the Desk Reference, you'll see the Beat there, The UFO Beat. It's a fun book. Where the Sightings Desk Reference is all charts, graphs, and numbers, and as my old editor used to say, it's not the kind of book you curl up in a chair with a cup of tea and read. Beat, that's 236 columns in there, a lot of fun reading, and a lot of, oh my, ooh aah kind of stuff. There's one thing we did in that book was we did a, I also put the one article that was never published. Now, I never had any censorship, but I did have an article to spike difference. A spike is the editors that were just not gonna run it. And censorship means, we're gonna change this little bit. Spiking was, I had already, at the point I wrote this article, I had already developed, as my editor would put it, a sense of gravitas, you're our respected authority on this, and this snarky article you've written, we're not going to publish. I added it in the collection to show people. And the funny thing is, it's about what happens if disclosure does happen. And I got the approach that they're gonna have ambulance chaser lawyers running an ad with, if you were abducted or had a mutilation or lost your job because of a UFO sighting or being abducted, there's new galactic treaties, we may be able to get compensation for you.
Stan Mallow
I could see that happening.
Cheryl Costa
Yeah.
Stan Mallow
Cheryl Costa, I thank you for being my guest on Paranormal Yakker. Speaking with you has been quite informative. You are a delightful, knowledgeable lady and as I said at the beginning of the interview, you are truly a woman all seasons. Thank you.
Cheryl Costa
Thank you. Bye, bye now.
Stan Mallow
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