Paranormal Yakker with your host Stan Mallow

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Season 1 Episode 4

Haunted Humber Yacht Club.
The prestigious Humber Yacht Club is an oasis of nature and tranquillity located in the heart of Toronto, Canada's largest and most populated city. When you look beyond the beautiful yachts docked on the Humber River and the catered events that take place in its Club House, you find that the Club and its surroundings hold many ghostly secrets. In this interview, Stan Mallow, the Paranormal Yakker, interviews Club members Spiritist Joyce Barnes, Bettyann Bramble, and Norma McGibbon, who is on the Board of Directors at the Yacht Club. They reveal to Stan first-hand accounts of experiences they and other Club members had with the ghosts who have long haunted the area. This includes the spirits of Native People who inhabited the area in the 1600s to a drunken Club bartender who met a grizzly end.

Transcript of video Interview

Stan Mallow
Hi everyone, this is Stan Mallow, the Paranormal Yakker. And now I am going to speak with Joyce Barnes, an internationally acclaimed spiritist, who is all part of what we're gonna be doing over here to see about the spirit, the being that's around there. Number one, I know you for many years.
Joyce Barnes
I know.
Stan Mallow
And I know your talents and how great you are.
Joyce Barnes
Thank you.
Stan Mallow
I know that, that's a given, but for those out there who don't know what a spiritist is, what is a spiritist? And what is the difference, say, from a medium or psychic?
Joyce Barnes
No, I refer myself as a spiritist because, I hate the word psychic.
Stan Mallow
Okay, that's a good reason.
Joyce Barnes
Because it's been so misused and everything, and spiritist, it's not spiritualist. A spiritist is someone who believes in spirits, believe in God, if I can say that, or the universe or whatever. And we believe that we've been sent here to help humanity and learn and then when we have learn our lesson, we go back and then we come back again. Basically, I believe in spirits, I work with spirits, I believe in angels, I believe in all of this, so there you go.
Stan Mallow
And reincarnation?
Joyce Barnes
Of course.
Stan Mallow
Is what you said.
Joyce Barnes
Definitely.
Stan Mallow
Okay, that's cool.
Joyce Barnes
Definitely, yeah.
Stan Mallow
Now, again, you are the catalyst for bringing me into the Yacht Club over here, which. feels great there. Now, the vibes that you picked up to keep you here, you've been a member for a while.
Joyce Barnes
Yeah, well, I got bad news for you ladies over there, there's a lot more than one. And a lot of them are outside, just to let you know. You see, everybody, I'm talking for myself, the way I work. When I know I'm gonna do something it always start a few days before. You know?
Stan Mallow
Mn-hm, mh-hm.
Joyce Barnes
All my way here I had a terrible headache that I don't usually have headaches. So I know as an example that they were right when they said that this man, they call him Charlie, by the way, we gonna call him Charlie, this man was drinking, because I could feel him always, I didn't know if he was really drinking or if he was really sick, but he was always falling and always. He looked like "I'm not steady on my feet" kind of thing and he kept falling. So I would assume that he'd have fell down the stairs or fell somewhere, hurt his head, 'cause my head was really hurting. And I also saw like a body floating along the water, so they were absolutely about - About what they were saying. Another thing also that I did pick up. By the way, he always stands up there. See? Right over there. So when you go up there, he's at the corner there. I saw him a few times when I come here for a drink or something you know. He stands there, So maybe when they were talking about the coughing, maybe that's what it was to or it came from the, anyway. So he likes it over there and even I was here for one reception, I think it was the commodore reception that I was here and I was sitting there. And he was standing there looking at this and he was really happy to what everything was going on.
Stan Mallow
Okay, I find it interesting. So whilst all the big events were going on.
Joyce Barnes
Oh yeah, he's very quiet, he's very quiet.
Stan Mallow
Okay, so he , it was just them and one other person there.
Joyce Barnes
Yeah.
Stan Mallow
But you saw him?
Joyce Barnes
Oh yeah, he stands there and he watches.
Stan Mallow
He looks down at everybody.
Joyce Barnes
He looks down and he's enjoying all of that. Now, I don't know the history of this area, but another thing that I did pick up is that there's a lot of aboriginal and native Indians.
Stan Mallow
Mn-hmm.
Joyce Barnes
Okay? So I was trying to, because I don't know too many tribes, I was trying to figure out their costume and what they wore. And what I got was Hurons.
Stan Mallow
Okay.
Joyce Barnes
But they didn't live here. The reason I'm saying that is because there's one in particular that got killed here. They were on their way somewhere, so I don't know, I would have to ask them and--
Stan Mallow
Research and whatever, yeah.
Joyce Barnes
They were on their way somewhere, they were not staying here, they're not from here. So I don't know where they come from but they're not from here. But they were on their way somewhere and this beautiful guy, beautiful native, somehow got killed by somebody. So I don't know if it was, because it. Let me see if I can get a date. 16, 1642, maybe, 1640, I'll have to research this, this is what I get in the 1640, 1650. So I don't know if they were at war with another tribe or maybe soldiers, he got killed, he got killed here and he's here. So he really likes it here for some strange reason. You know, because, I mean, ghosts, really, is because they're stuck here. But they should be here, they should go home.
Stan Mallow
They're choosing to stay here.
Joyce Barnes
They choose to stay either because it was an accident that they die or because whatever reason, they choose not to go, not to go home. So he choose to stay here. And one of the reason why he choose to stay here is because, what I get from him and that he's mostly a healer, they have maybe whatever they call them.
Stan Mallow
Like a shaman.
Joyce Barnes
Something like that. And he's really protective of the animals and the trees and everything. And he's looking after all of this. And earlier, by the way, I don't know if anybody heard or saw but there was, something fell from there, outside. I say, "Okay, I won't forget you." Anyway, they're here. So there's a lot, there's more than that, but there's a lot of people out there, we're never alone, you know. And the most important thing that I would like to say to people is do not be afraid, because we're never alone, ever. And if you're afraid or if you don't feel, I don't want to see you today, just tell them and then they go. 95% of the, I should say 98% of the time they will not stay, they will go, they will listen to us, okay. So Charlie, when he comes at night at look and everything is very quiet, he doesn't want to disturb the peace of everything. And, Bettyann says, I'm afraid to go to the office or I'm afraid to go to the washroom, I'm afraid, just say, "Hey, stay here, I'm going." And then they obey, very seldom they won't.
Stan Mallow
Now, out of curiosity, since you say you saw different spirits, you had the native, the aboriginal there, you have Charlie up there on that. Do ever get to mingle with each other? Or they just keep their own space or territory.
Joyce Barnes
No, to me they seem to be, it is here and they're there.
Stan Mallow
Okay.
Joyce Barnes
I didn't see, I don't know how to call him, my shaman, I should say, I didn't see him in, I just see him outside, he's always out there, he's not in. He's in.
Stan Mallow
Always in?
Joyce Barnes
Yeah, he's in.
Stan Mallow
Okay, so somebody from outside, that had to be the aboriginal then, originally.
Joyce Barnes
Yeah, so. Oh yeah, that was not Charlie, that was my shaman.
Stan Mallow
You just cross.
Joyce Barnes
Yeah, my shaman is out there and Charlie is up here. Yeah.
Stan Mallow
And, in this room, over there, you said also outside too, front and back, all around the place you feel them?
Joyce Barnes
Well, I think if we, maybe in the summer, in the summer, you can come back with your little machine and see what's out there. Because there's a lot of energy out there, a lot of it.
Stan Mallow
All right, since I got this invitation.
Joyce Barnes
I know.
Stan Mallow
I'm gonna take advantage of it, that's for sure. But I gotta tell you again what I told to Bettyann and to Norma, the camaraderie, all the energy over here is so great.
Joyce Barnes
I know, it's wonderful, nice people, nice place, good food. And just to think that I'm 15 minutes away from my home and it's like I'm the middle of a--
Stan Mallow
Out of Toronto, exactly.
Joyce Barnes
I'm in the downtown Toronto.
Stan Mallow
travel hours to where they call the--
Joyce Barnes
I know, I know.
Stan Mallow
That's what you call it, right, Cottage Country?
Joyce Barnes
Absolutely. So when I found this I say, "Oh my God, there's a god, thank you." I mean, you know.
Stan Mallow
And you also get the space.
Joyce Barnes
Yeah, and I get the space. And then I got the boat.
Stan Mallow
I think that's great.
Joyce Barnes
And can I say something about the woman with the wine glass?
Stan Mallow
Yes.
Joyce Barnes
Remember the?
Stan Mallow
Oh, I remember.
Joyce Barnes
Remember they said that there was a woman somewhere, I don't know where, with the wine glass.
Stan Mallow
Yeah, .
Joyce Barnes
She comes from on the other side of the river, from a house from the other side of the river, she doesn't come from here. She just comes and visits.
Stan Mallow
She was crashing the place? Yeah.
Joyce Barnes
She comes and check out what's going on here, but she belongs on the other side of the river in one of those houses over there.
Stan Mallow
Mn-hmm.
Joyce Barnes
And. I mean, I don't, we don't know the people on the other side but this woman died of a stroke. And she was not very old when she died.
Stan Mallow
She must be way on the other side 'cause I look out here, I don't see a building. I only see nature.
Joyce Barnes
I know, but because there's trees, but if you have a look now that leaves are gone because the winter is coming, you're gonna see some lights at night, you see the houses on the other side, she comes from there. Yeah, and that's her.
Stan Mallow
Okay, that's great. Thank you so much Joyce for this.
Joyce Barnes
My pleasure.
Stan Mallow
Norma welcome to "Paranormal Yakker".
Norma McGibbon
Thank you.
Stan Mallow
Now, I gotta say, I feel I lucked out when I knew your Thanksgiving and I gotta compliment the Yacht Club on the Thanksgiving dinner that you did and I'm so happy to be friends with Dale and Joyce Barnes who were kind enough to invite me there. Thank you for your hospitality and just chit chatting with you, I found out about the wonderful paranormal activities going on here. So I would appreciate you sharing with me and with our audience what it is that you heard, see or experienced related to paranormal activity at the Yacht Club here.
Norma McGibbon
Well, there was one evening, I was here at the club and situated at the bar. And there was only my sister and the bartender that was here that night. And the bartender happened to be in the kitchen. And my sister and I were sitting at the bar stools and, all of a sudden, there was a cough. And my sister said, "Did you hear that?" And then the cough came again and I said, "Yes." So I believe there was two coughs that we heard. There was no one else in the club other than the three of us and it definitely wasn't the bartender because we had asked her if she had coughed and she said, you have to know her, she said, "No darlin', it's the ghost."
Stan Mallow
So she knew about it?
Norma McGibbon
Well, she's been here for over 30 years so, yes, she's experienced it a lot.
Stan Mallow
Were you aware that there's a ghost here before? Before that time?
Norma McGibbon
Well, we've heard stories. And since, we've heard some real stories that have happened here at the club.
Stan Mallow
Would you like to share some of them? That would be great.
Norma McGibbon
Sure. There was a gentleman here who used to be the commodore. Closed up the bar one night and there's a safe in the floor just outside the kitchen and he went to put the money from the bar in the envelope and put it into the safe. And all of a sudden he heard a whistling. And he said he looked around and he was the only one here that he thought. He shouted out, "Who's there?" And nobody responded. He got kind of nervous, he locked up the safe, went out the front door, locked it up and he was the only vehicle that was here at the club. There was another time from one of our members, who is no longer with us, used to come here on Saturday afternoon and would sit here and smoke his cigar. And he went into the kitchen that morning and he heard, "Hey Kenny, how are ya?" And the other gentlemen that was with him also heard it and that was when the gentleman had gone into the kitchen area, down by the back stairs and that's where he heard, "Hi Kenny, how are you?" And so this has happened, apparently, a couple of times, where this gentleman, Kenny, has heard voices and relating to him, his name.
Stan Mallow
Mn-hmm. Now, when did this occur? 'Cause there are a few levels here, was it the upstairs at his level, that it happened?
Norma McGibbon
No, it happened here, on this level here.
Stan Mallow
Okay, 'cause I remember speaking with you, you mentioned something about activity upstairs, so people have experienced things upstairs too?
Norma McGibbon
That I'm not aware of, we were just always afraid to go upstairs because we didn't know where the sounds and the stuff was coming from, so we've assumed it was upstairs only because there were people, a couple that used to live here, in the club house but they--
Stan Mallow
Year round, they lived here?
Norma McGibbon
They lived here and the gentleman was the bartender and the lady, the wife, used to look after the cleaning of the club, but they had since moved out. It's not like they had passed away here and then moved, they had gone.
Stan Mallow
Mm-hmm. And what's upstairs? Or what was upstairs? It was an apartment, what's there now?
Norma McGibbon
It was an apartment.
Stan Mallow
Yeah, but what's there now.
Norma McGibbon
Well, right now we just have an office and we have a meeting room, we have a games room, we have a washer.
Stan Mallow
Wow.
Norma McGibbon
Up on the second floor.
Stan Mallow
Get to build a resort over here in the heart of Toronto, absolutely incredible. With that, now, you yourself, what were your feelings when you first hand heard that coughing and you figured something was going on over there? Was there fear or just curiosity or? What was your reaction?
Norma McGibbon
Well, first of all, I guess it was curiosity, who was it? There was nobody in here but the three of us. And then it was because we had heard other stories of what took place here, we thought maybe this was the ghost that was here in the club.
Stan Mallow
But there was nothing foreboding, did you feel bad or scary or anything or just?
Norma McGibbon
Well, yes, I think we felt a little scared, we were frightened that something had taken place and where did it come from?
Stan Mallow
Were you ever curious or just asked when you were here to ask the spirit or whoever is here to make themselves known to you or you left 'em alone?
Norma McGibbon
No, we left it alone, well, we wouldn't, no, we've never said anything or. I mean, we may have said, "Who are you? "Where are you?", and, "Who is this?", but just.
Stan Mallow
Did they appear or, were this person or persons, since we don't know, appear when there were an event going on here or when there was no event, when it was quiet or? What was it like?
Norma McGibbon
Well, there was. Well, I can just remember one other incident that took place was there was an event that was going to happen the following day. And the bartender had her grandson here to help her for the next day. And he was at the bar and his grandmother was in the kitchen and he looked out the window, the front window and saw this white, I don't know if it was figure of a lady, dressed in white, holding a glass of wine. And he immediately said to his grandmother in Polish what he saw. And so that was another sort of spirit that had taken place.
Stan Mallow
Was it always from the beginning, or these stories of spirit activity at the Yacht Club, is it over a period of years or did it start at some point in time?
Norma McGibbon
Well, I think it goes back to 30 years.
Stan Mallow
Oh, okay.
Norma McGibbon
When the couple used to live upstairs and then they rehired a bartender and that happened after that bartender had. I mean, I can tell the story that I know that I've heard. I mean.
Stan Mallow
Yeah.
Norma McGibbon
I don't know if you want to know?
Stan Mallow
Yes, I wanna know, I know the "Paranormal Yakker" audience wants to know, yes.
Norma McGibbon
Oh, okay, well, when the couple had moved out, apparently they hired somebody, they needed a bartender. And they had hired somebody to come in who, I guess, worked at a legion, and he had come in and he was the bartender. And little did they know that this bartender couldn't get other jobs because he drank a lot, but they didn't know at the time of hiring him. And then one night, he left the bar, closed the bar, from what I understand he had taken some alcohol from the bar, went to our gas stock and fell asleep and fell off the gas stock and floated down the river, past boats. And I believe there were members who're now passed on, that we couldn't really verify all that but, from what I understand, one of the members did say that he did fall off the gas stock and floated down the river.
Stan Mallow
So there could be a possibility it might be him in addition to somebody else, do you think?
Norma McGibbon
Well, I...
Stan Mallow
You don't know.
Norma McGibbon
I don't know, I don't know.
Stan Mallow
But, it's a distinct possibility--
Norma McGibbon
Well, yeah, it sounds like it.
Stan Mallow
'Cause a lot of people come back to where initially something happened with him, on that, that is absolutely fascinating.
Norma McGibbon
Yes.
Stan Mallow
And have you yourself, you said you were with your sister?
Norma McGibbon
Yes.
Stan Mallow
With your sister. Did she have other experiences too or that was it with the coughing? I mean, that would be a lot, even one experience.
Norma McGibbon
Mn-mn. Sorry, what was that question again
Stan Mallow
Sure, with your sister, the experience of that, did it happen ever with the spirit appearing when she was by herself or was it with, only that time with you.
Norma McGibbon
I believe it was only with me but I can't say for sure.
Stan Mallow
Okay, did you want me to say? One way of saying that, also let's get to the other guest also. On that is, 'cause we don't know, we're dealing with unknown because a lot of times, whatever the reason is, those in the spirit world will attach themselves to somebody and come over to them for whatever the reason. So, obviously. I mean, I shouldn't say "obviously", I've heard nothing is obvious, but yeah, it's quite possible that whatever spirit or spirits are there are comfortable with you and also with Annie. I mean that's, I don't know. Have they appeared to you a number of times or just a few times?
Norma McGibbon
Well, in my experience, in my stay here at the club, it's only been, I guess, that one time that I actually experienced it.
Stan Mallow
Right, what about a feeling? 'Cause you said you were reluctant to go upstairs.
Norma McGibbon
Well, I am because we--
Stan Mallow
So do you feel something?
Norma McGibbon
Well, we just feel scared, frightened, we don't know if there is an actual person ghost here. I don't know why we relate to it upstairs because we don't go upstairs that often. So it's scary to go up there because we don't wanna hear it.
Stan Mallow
I'm glad you clarified that there was activity also over here. 'Cause we have talked about ghost scare upstairs, I thought it was coming from upstairs, but no, activity was here too. So I thank you so much, I appreciate it.
Norma McGibbon
Oh, quite welcome, thank you.
Stan Mallow
Hey everyone, this is Stan Mallow, the paranormal yakker. And now I'm gonna be yakking away with Bettyann who is a voting member of the Toronto Humber Yacht Club and sister to Norma who I was just speaking with to.
Bettyann Bamble
Yes.
Stan Mallow
Welcome to "Paranormal Yakker", thank you, that's great.
Bettyann Bamble
Thank you.
Stan Mallow
So you're the sister, so you're the one who heard the cough first, when that spirit did that?
Bettyann Bamble
Yes, yes, and it was directly behind us, it was very loud. And, it was a man's voice, cough.
Stan Mallow
Okay, you isolated it to a man.
Bettyann Bamble
Yeah.
Stan Mallow
Do you think he wanted to make himself known to you or he just coughed here or what?
Bettyann Bamble
I believe so, it was that strong. 'Cause when I heard it, I looked right behind me and then I looked at my sister and I said, "Did you hear what I heard?" And she said, "I think so." And then he coughed again and I went this is--
Stan Mallow
Okay, second time?
Bettyann Bamble
Yes, yes. And then, she said there was no one in the club at the time, just the three of us.
Stan Mallow
And the third person who was there knew about that ghost said that it had to be the ghost?
Bettyann Bamble
Yes, yes, 'cause she, she had a smirk on her face. And we said, "What are you smiling about?" And she said, "Darlin', that's just the ghost."
Stan Mallow
"Just the ghost"?
Bettyann Bamble
"Just the ghost.
Stan Mallow
And what did you react, what was your reaction.
Bettyann Bamble
I said, "This is pretty scary?
Stan Mallow
So you were scared too, as your sister was
Bettyann Bamble
Yeah, I was, yeah.
Stan Mallow
And it was downstairs over here too?
Bettyann Bamble
It was right, I'd say right where I was sitting here, that's how close it was.
Stan Mallow
When the other person said it's a ghost, you said you were afraid.
Bettyann Bamble
Mn-hmm.
Stan Mallow
Were you reluctant to go around the place? Did you wanna get out of here? Did you feel comfortable? I mean, you were scared, obviously, something that's happened, it's gonna take you aback, but did you feel like you were threatened or anything like that or no?
Bettyann Bamble
No, I didn't feel threatened, no. Just shocked, I guess and, it was. I was shocked because we've heard so much about this, there's a ghost or spirit in the club and then we actually experienced it. That's.
Stan Mallow
Mn-hmm.
Bettyann Bamble
Yeah.
Stan Mallow
And did the person who said, it's just a ghost, did they say who it was?
Bettyann Bamble
No.
Stan Mallow
Because sister, Norma, had mentioned one other person who used to be here by the bar, what happened with him in the moor and stuff like that. Was anybody else there? 'Cause sometimes there could be more than one spirit that people come around.
Bettyann Bamble
No, no, it's just, it was that.
Stan Mallow
Okay, now you heard your cough, did you smell anything, were there any aromas that were different? 'Cause sometimes they show themselves with that too, that you were aware of. Or you didn't pay attention to it?
Bettyann Bamble
No. I don't think there was anything.
Stan Mallow
Oh yeah, one thing I didn't ask your sister I'd like to know, this occurrence, was it day, night, morning?
Bettyann Bamble
It was in the evening.
Stan Mallow
It was in the evening?
Bettyann Bamble
Yes, it was in the evening.
Stan Mallow
It was in the evening and it was only three of you here?
Bettyann Bamble
Yes.
Stan Mallow
Now, the other stories that you heard related to the spirit, is it usually when it's just a few people here or have the spirit shown themselves when there is a lot of people here?
Bettyann Bamble
No, it's just a few. Because the story that my sister told about the lady standing in the window with the glass of wine, it was only the one gentleman that saw that.
Stan Mallow
Okay.
Bettyann Bamble
So it was only him and he said to his grandmother, "I thought you said nobody was in the club?" And she said, "No, there isn't." And he says, "Well, "there's a lady standing there with a glass of wine." So, yeah.
Stan Mallow
Wow. I find all of that fascinating 'cause, well, I've been involved with the different spirits, the ones that to people, sometimes ghosts, well, a lot of people are over there, sometimes just a few people, just one person, sometimes scary. Now, I have the ask this, that you're sisters with Norma, do you recall when you were younger if there were any incidents where the two of you were together and something paranormal or something unusual that can't be explained? Or no?
Bettyann Bamble
No.
Stan Mallow
I'm just starting to look for a pattern or something like that.
Bettyann Bamble
No.
Stan Mallow
No, there's nothing like that--
Bettyann Bamble
Not, that I can recall, no.
Stan Mallow
Did you ever ask on your own when you came back afterwards to get into contact with that spirit and ask if they had a message to you or anything else like that?
Stan Mallow
No.
Stan Mallow
You could care less about that or you were too scared?
Bettyann Bamble
I'd be too scared, no, no. But I've been in here several nights with my sister and I and the bartender and I'd be scared to go to the washroom and I'd be singing "Lalalalalalalalala", just to let the spirit, if somebody is in here, let them know that I'm here and I'm going to walk through.
Stan Mallow
That's good. just for future reference to that, sometimes they fan a lot of the air, whatever the reason, if you have a little bell and you ring it, it would take it away, so.
Bettyann Bamble
Yeah, well, that's. I guess that's the reason why I've said--
Stan Mallow
Whatever it is going in and on that day. But one time if you ever get a sense that the being is around you, just say, "Leave me alone.", or, "Go away for now, I appreciate you being here." And things like that. I assume none of you had cameras with ya?
Bettyann Bamble
No.
Stan Mallow
Ah, if I was in a place like this--
Bettyann Bamble
Would that pick up?
Stan Mallow
Chances are it would be yes, when they're around over there. If you ever see them. Oh, you don't have to see them, obviously. Anna, when you sense something just take a photo, you'll be very pleasantly surprised or.
Bettyann Bamble
Oh, interesting.
Stan Mallow
Or, you never know or it doesn't show up, et cetera, 'cause you never, never, never, never know with that. Now, to your knowledge, I know your sister told us a little bit of people that have also had experiences with this being, spirit. Do you know other people have other types of experiences that they share with ya?
Bettyann Bamble
No, no.
Stan Mallow
Do they ever come to children or little kids or it was always adults?
Bettyann Bamble
It was always adults.
Stan Mallow
And nobody, to you knowledge, has experienced seeing the being when they were on their boat or on the water, or was it confined to the club house?
Bettyann Bamble
Right, yeah.
Stan Mallow
Okay, that could be quite telling. So this could be fascinating. One more thing, just for your curiosity, we talked about being a voting member of the club, that fascinated me, what's a voting member, how's that different from another type of a member?
Bettyann Bamble
Oh, we have a boat and we have a spa in front of our boat, we have social members who just come to events or they can come down and enjoy the scenery and stuff like that.
Stan Mallow
Can I just say? I feel very lucky, happy that I was able to see all the camaraderie Thanksgiving. It seems it's not just a club where people and go boom, I'm here. It seems to be true camaraderie between everybody over here.
Bettyann Bamble
Yes, yes. Very nice.
Stan Mallow
With that, I think that's great and maybe one day down the road, if you can convince some of the other people on here, maybe a massive group could around and do a circle or something to maybe try to see if we could bring forward. I'm not telling you to do that, but that's a possibility. Something may happen. So all I gotta say is I thank you so much.